Blowouts and a crapload of other stuff

onion · Post by **onion** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:23 pm

if i can just throw a couple cents into this here debate, i think the thing to remember is that the scoring of the vast majority of plays is obvious, there is no argument. weather or not they are consistantly recorded may be an issue, but there is rarely a real argument to any call. a few times a game there may be a play that is questionable, and while there's no great loss in the greater scheme of things to stick with the "official scorer's rule is final" idea, i also don't see a great loss to having a quick consensus polled of only those who had a good view of the play. often this is only three or four people. it would take all of twenty seconds for each to state his call and then a conclusion drawn. there would be no argument allowed, just a call. while this doesn't garentee accuracy, it would increase the chances of getting the call right without eating up much time. i don't see a huge problem with there being a few blown calls. obviously, i would prefer the call to always be correct, but this is baseball, and blown calls are very much a part of the game. so long as the vast majority of the calls are correct i think everyone should be happy with a simple system that interferes with the game as little as possible. at the same time, it wouldn't take that much time or effort to ensure more accurate stats. it just depends on where your priorities lie.

TheLegend · Post by **TheLegend** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:51 pm

just to get back to blowout games for a sec...

I just looked at all of our boxscores and the biggest deficit that a team has ever come back from to win is 7 (happened twice). With that in mind, I think that a 10 run lead is enough to force a trade as opposed to Scott's proposal of 15.

Chris Adams · Post by **Chris Adams** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:34 pm

i agree, let's have a10 run rule.

Post by **gohlkus** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:47 pm

10 runs is good to force a trade. I was going to suggest that a 10-run deficit trigger a trade discussion (which wouldn't have to end in a trade) but that scenario is overly complicated.

On scoring: Usually when I score a questionable play, I yell out to the field and get at least one or two people to verbally agree with me (i.e. "hey, was that a hit or an error?"). That doesn't usually take a lot of time and isn't difficult. I would suggest codifying something like that (structure it like our web gem rule, for example -- seems parallel).

It wouldn't bother me if a base coach were the official scorer -- that would ensure that pretty much all the time we would actually have base coaches, which is sometimes not the case (which is bad). If one of the guys coaching is also on deck, then the other guy coaching is the scorer. (We do get a little short-handed when we have 13-15 people total, and 3 are on base, 1 is at the plate, and 1 is pitching.... but the solution to that is turnout.)

Southpaw Slim · Post by **Southpaw Slim** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:23 pm

I don't know. I don't think that 10 runs is insurmountable. I like the idea of a trade discussion with a 10-run deficit, but I think it's still achievable. However, I've never seen a team come back from 15 behind. If the score is a 15 run split, I think it's enough to change the course of the game (whether it be a called game, forced trade, etc.)

On the other hand, it's different for different parks. But even at DeFremery, I've never seen a team come back from 15 behind.

Post by **Baseball=Life** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:25 pm

Hey, sorry, meant to post this last week... Yes, it will be 10 runs after 3 innings, not 15 as previously stated. The exception will be at DeFremery, where it will remain 15 runs after 3 innings. And the 20 run spread rule will remain in place at all fields.