Player of the Game 2/26 also Nicholl Park Feedback

Southpaw Slim · Post by **Southpaw Slim** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:34 am

Baseball=Life wrote:Note that Nick and I are "tied" for hits for Season 2. If I was given the hit I still feel was accurate/valid, I would've gotten more hits than Nick in the season (important to me). So, I can totally relate to what you're saying about how one mere hit or AB (or non-AB) can have far-reaching statistical impacts.

I don't even have to click on the link, and I still know what you're talking about. Are you still bitching about that "error" at Golden Gate fucking months ago? You're the Commissioner. You make the fuckin' decision.

tallguy · Post by **tallguy** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:59 am

He can't really do that without looking like a self-serving a-hole. Which is no doubt why he hasn't done it.

Southpaw Slim · Post by **Southpaw Slim** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:52 am

My point is that he shouldn't have let Dorian "make the call" if he didn't agree with it.

Blancito21 · Post by **Blancito21** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:54 am

Joe shmoe wrote:dan this is richard and your wrong

you werent the only yankee fan there was james. and on the red sox alcs note no team has ever come back from being 0-3 and won ever!! and as you are a misguided yankee fan that you are (one day i hope you will see the the light and realize that the yankees are evil) you must realize that you love the yankees or hate them.

however being player of the game is enough for you, you have to whine about one trival at bat. =P

1. Just because James wears a Yankee hat it does not make him a Yankee fan. I believe he is a Giants fan so that leaves me.

2. At no point did I discount the Red Sox amazing victory. Like yourself I am a baseball fan first and I enjoy history taking place in my lifetime. The Yankees deserved to lose that series, they were awful from game four on. Besides 1 title does not destroy teh Yankee dominance over those bums...it just gives the Yanks a chance to start a new streak. You don't have to love the Yankees or hate them. Therein lies the problem, most people spend so much time hating and blaming the Yankees that they forget to look within the problems their own teams have to assess why the SUCK. (I'll address your second post in a bit.)

3. Obviously the stat board is not that important to you though you're ranked pretty highly in some categories. That one "trivial" at bat has implications for the entire season (see Scott's example). I gave thanks for player of the game but we're in March, I plan on getting a lot of those. What's the point of the hard work these guys put into keeping stats (thank you fellas) if you're not gonna be aware of where you are and whether everything is being recorded properly.

I hope you recognize I was joking about you and Seth. I know he didn't do it on purpose, hell like I said, he was the one who pointed it out to me.

Blancito21 · Post by **Blancito21** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:57 am

retep wrote:
Joe shmoe wrote: however being player of the game is enough for you, you have to whine about one trival at bat. =P

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry Daniel, but... hehehe.

Peter, you use emoticons....that's funnier than that quote.

Blancito21 · Post by **Blancito21** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:31 am

Joe shmoe wrote:also while i am an oakland A's fan, first im a baseball fan. i just love the game. and thats why i dont like the yankees when a teams #9 hitter is robinson cano thats just wrong. i have felt that baseball needs to have an extraction ie the royals or the rockies or the devils rays. now i feel that if the yankees werent hogging all the talent the gaame would be way more interesting. i mean alex rodriguez SHOULD NOT be playing 3rd base, HE IS A FUCKING SHORTSTOP FOR CHRISTSAKE!!! (breathe richard breathe)

ok now i feel better (puff)

all i am saying is imagine the yanks only have 5 superstars instead of 12 also im not just dogging the yanks but all the big spenters

baaseball needs a salary cap

well i probaally should have maade this another thred :shrug:

I think we've had this conversation before: during their championship run the Yankees basically only had 5 SUPERSTARS so not only can I imagine it, I can remember it. Don't blame the Yankees or the big spenders, blame the system (which you did) and teh players/agents. It is not the Yankees fault that they play in a market that generates so much revenue and allows for them to have their own channel. It is not their fault that because of their history they have been the most globally marketable team and therefore make tons of revenue off of that as well. They work within the system and have a owner who shells out the money he makes on players. Yankee games always sell out even though they cost triple what A's tickets do. The fact that I can still purchase tickets for the Yankees A's openeing series is all you need to know about the A's fanbase. Support your team, have your owner get a geal radio/tv deal and maybe you'll sign some productive additions besides Bradley and Thomas....ughhhh. I read Moneyball, nice concept, but it can only get you so far in this system. The big market teams and the payers union (strongest union in America) will not allow for a salary cap. Be thankful there is a luxury tax and beg your owner to spend more money with the kickbacks he gets from said luxury tax. The Braves and Cardinals don't spend tons of money, why are they always in contention?

The Royals have too much history to contract and Scott is from the area so watch what you say. The Rockies are said to have a great fan base...it's just the altitude that kills their pitching. The Devil Rays are getting better as is evident from their performance last year and the prospects coming up. Change their GM, who every other GM hates and move them to an actual "city" and they could thrive. Their outfield should be sick this year.

ARod is a great baseball player...he could probably catch if you let him. Plus, even if the A's had the money, he would not play in Oakland. NY is where the stars go to maximize their capitalist potential...Oakland...not so much. You can't transcend popular culture in Oakland. Just the facts.

Pat K · Post by **Pat K** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:55 am

We do not need to hear anymore of your New York propagandi, so save it for someone who cares. FUCK the Yankees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blancito21 · Post by **Blancito21** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:04 am

WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

I'll bring some Kleenex this Sunday but save some for the opening series.

tallguy · Post by **tallguy** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:15 am

Dan is right, I'm afraid. The Yankees are basically just a wonderful example of what happens to a national pastime in a capitalist society. Similar to Manchester United back home, whose fan base reportedly is 90-plus percent outside the UK. What is interesting to me is that not every sport has quite such a dominant team.

onion · Post by **onion** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:42 am

just to clarify, i did not mark an AB in the 9th on the sac. if it is marked, it happened after the fact. i don't really know the rules you guys use, so if there's any question, i'm gonna ask.

and the yankees are evil, evil, evil. it's true that they play within the system, and it's the system that's wack, but that only has to do with why they're evil. they're still a bunch of evil bastards. i'm not saying that it's derek jeter's fault (though if i ever meet him in a dark alley...). it's clearly MLB's fault. i can't even blame george for spendin' whatever he can. i can look at the state of MLB and notice that a few things are way out of wack (incidentally, i'm just as pissed that there are teams like the devil rays that suck, suck, suck, with no real hope of improvement (and, yeah, they're gonna have a pretty good outfield. fat lot of good it'll do them with nothin' but shite in the starting rotation (and, yes, i'm embarassed that they have a better outfield than baltimore, but so it goes))). where was i? oh, yeah. point is that the yankees have such a huge advantage that you gotta route against them. there's nothin' better than beating the yankees.
it's also true that i, as an oriole fan, am especially jaded. even if they could put together a decent team (which they're not that far from doing. give 'em an outfielder and a closer and they can compete in any other division), there's no real hope of winning the division. the best i could possibly hope for is a wild card berth. that's pretty much bullshit. there's no other division that even comes close to this lack of parity. yeah, atlanta keeps winning, but it's close, and another team (i.e. that other super star loaded NY team) could very well unseat them. i love being in the AL East, because there are great rivalries. the teams (minus the rays) are all interesting and they play each other well. that being said, my team has absolutely no shot of winning the division, short of a miracle. the red sox don't even have much of a chance (and certainly not this year), and they're pretty big spenders as well. it's tough to even win the wild card, as they've got to play the yankees and red sox so many times (though baltimore does play well against both. if only they could beat the rays...). bottom line is that the o's and the blue jays pretty much suck, so it doesn't really matter too much, but it could. actually, if you put either team in at least half of the divisions out there, they'd have a pretty good chance. it's just in comparison to the yanks that they suck. ok. i'm done my fairly incoherant ranting. gotta go to work.

onion · Post by **onion** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:43 am

doesn't this yankee talk belong in the MLB folder? seems like this happens a lot. oh well.

Blancito21 · Post by **Blancito21** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:54 am

Thank you for your rational, unclouded understanding of my point Paul. To answer your question in two words: salary cap. The other leagues, especially the NFL, understand that a cap equals parity, parity equals larger profit for more, thus allowing the league as a whole to flourish. Also, Baseball, I believe, is the only league with an agreement (I forgot what it's called) that does not allow the federal government to intervene in labor issues. This gives the players union all the power it needs to keep the salary cap off the table no matter what the outcome. The owners and management also are to blame because baseball in general has a sense of entitlement based on it's history adn therefore believes it should work within it's own margins and without influence from other sports. It assumes it will always succeed because until recently, it always had. The NFL has it right with a cap and non-guaranteed contracts which is why it has overtaken baseball as the most popular sport....by a mile. (Betting also has a lot to do with that). The NBA players don't care enough about their union to fight for what they want and they make so much anyway (especially off endorsements) that it doesn't matter that they have a cap. Teams have money to spend on less players per team with nothing going towards upkeeping a farm system. Who cares about Hockey?

Funny that ManU. has a partnership with the Yankees and they are broadcast on the YES network.

TheLegend · Post by **TheLegend** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:20 pm

if i had mod power i would split this thread... but I do have copy/paste power... and that just might do.

there's a "new" thread about the yankees in the appropriate forum.

for MVP... Daniel definately gets the nod... it's like rib's are afraid of me or something!!! how do you double 3 times (at least once with a runner on base) and not get a single rbi???

oh, and that K was little more than me taking one for the team, I took 15 straight pitches then swung wildly at the next 3 :shrug: Even with the K it was my best game so far in season 3

Post by **Baseball=Life** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:46 am

Seth I think you're underrating the 2006 Blue Jays, and overrating the 06 Red Sox.

onion · Post by **onion** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:10 am

i am over-rating the '06 red sox. i can't help it. they've got me hooked. it's not as bad as most people think though. they've still got a pitching staff (or most of one), and while coco and gonzales aren't exactly damon and renteria (or cabrera, who they should have held on to), they could both be good moves, especially crisp. they're also not done. they'll still do something. there's room at first, and there's gotta be a way to add a strong bat there.

i'm not sold on the jays. they did add some important pieces, but they've lost a good bit too. i like overbay, but i'm not sure that he's the offensive threat they're hopin' he is. they've also lost a lot of depth. bottom line is i think they killed themselves with ryan. the guy is awesome. i got to see him develop into one of the best left handed relievers in the game. i even got to ride in an elevator with him when i happened to have a ball and glove (where he taught me my slider). toronto can not afford the contract they gave him. they're not a complete team (did they sign molina yet? that would be a big boost). maybe they'll be pretty good (and maybe they can break this never ending string of seasons where every team in the AL east finishes in the same spot), but they still have no shot at the yankees. i'll be surprised if they're still together at the end of the year, much less competing with the red sox for second place.