yeah... I feel like we tried the "official" suggestion route and it resulted in our two best power hitters hitting two homeruns each with alluminum bats. It's lunacy that there are players stepping up to the plate where the expectation is that they're gonna smack one out of the park. For others, it's not so much of an issue, but still rediculous to see the power numbers that they're putting up. I think the requirement would make the game more competative (i.e. keeping the ball in play more, allowing the defense to take part in more at bats). It just seems so silly to me.
Also, there are plenty of community bats for anyone to use, so siting the cost (which would be fairly minimal anyone) as a reason not to enforce the requirement seems pretty rediculous.
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Your spelling was weak in that post, thelegend. For shame!
Anyway, I think he mentions valid points. For instance, Carlos had 5 extrabase hits in one game! (2 HR, 3 2B's) This I consider to be less than ideal.
Another idea would be to get community bats with the community fund being described in other posts. It would cost less than $100 to come up with many different wooden bats in terms of size, weight, etc.
Anyway, I think he mentions valid points. For instance, Carlos had 5 extrabase hits in one game! (2 HR, 3 2B's) This I consider to be less than ideal.
Another idea would be to get community bats with the community fund being described in other posts. It would cost less than $100 to come up with many different wooden bats in terms of size, weight, etc.
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Surely Defremery only, there are so few HR hit at Flood, except by the lefties.
You know, Raimondi had a big advantage over Flood in that its left and right field fences were roughly equidistant. Flood has a much shorter left field fence, and this makes lefties disproportionately likely to hit a HR - we've had none to left field but several to right. Can someone remind me why we can't play at Raimondi now that the rainy season is over?
You know, Raimondi had a big advantage over Flood in that its left and right field fences were roughly equidistant. Flood has a much shorter left field fence, and this makes lefties disproportionately likely to hit a HR - we've had none to left field but several to right. Can someone remind me why we can't play at Raimondi now that the rainy season is over?
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This wooden bat discussion is relevant to DeFremery only, Pat.
The reason we don't play at Raimondi is because it is one of the most heavily-used fields in all of the Bay Area. We've been kicked off of it multiple times.
Curt Flood & DeFremery were chosen after careful consideration of several factors, a key one being availability/on-field traffic.
Very few fields in all of baseball are proportional from left field to right. It's pretty standard for right field to be shorter than left field. Yes, it provides advantage to left-handed hitters, and those right-handers who can hit the ball to the opposite field.
The reason we don't play at Raimondi is because it is one of the most heavily-used fields in all of the Bay Area. We've been kicked off of it multiple times.
Curt Flood & DeFremery were chosen after careful consideration of several factors, a key one being availability/on-field traffic.
Very few fields in all of baseball are proportional from left field to right. It's pretty standard for right field to be shorter than left field. Yes, it provides advantage to left-handed hitters, and those right-handers who can hit the ball to the opposite field.
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so i know im the new guy an all
but personally i dont like Defermery
i used a wood bat the whole day in my first game there, not cuz i knew that it meant less power but more because i dont especially like metal bats, they dont feel right in my hands
but i agree that wood only as a rule for defermery would be a good idea
defermery is small enough without everyone and their mother hitting home runs out of it with metal bats
but personally i dont like Defermery
i used a wood bat the whole day in my first game there, not cuz i knew that it meant less power but more because i dont especially like metal bats, they dont feel right in my hands
but i agree that wood only as a rule for defermery would be a good idea
defermery is small enough without everyone and their mother hitting home runs out of it with metal bats
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I personally prefer wooden bats, as I believe I've stated before in this thread. I think solely utilising wooden bats at DeFremery should become a rule. If not for the fact that there are so many home runs hit with metal bats, we should at least consider the threat faced by the pitcher. I know I almost clocked Peter's ankles using a wooden bat while he was on second base, and I've also hit Chris with a comebacker using the same bat. If we have power hitters using metal bats (or any hitters for that matter) at DeFremery, it poses a potentially career-ending threat to whomever is within 60 feet of the plate. I know from experience that the 3rd baseman has to be exceptionally wary when a batter is brandishing aluminum. I therefore agree with Ken that wooden bats become a requirement when playing at DeFremery. Mind you all that this is not a biased opinion based on personal preference, but rather a safety concern.
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OK. I can see the arguments for wood bats. But could we not make this change all at once? Personally, I would like the change to be made maybe in 1-2 months. This would give me time to learn more about wood bats, and to save the money to buy something I liked.
But I would point out that I think most HRs are hit by Will and Ahmer these days. With Carlos back, that means our three bets HR hitters are hitting balls which would be out of Curt Flood as well.
Regarding the rule that only people who have hit a HR is silly. This would include people like Chris Adams, Scott, and Bonner: people who didn't hit HRs but had a lucky day, or had extra practice, or whatever.
But I would point out that I think most HRs are hit by Will and Ahmer these days. With Carlos back, that means our three bets HR hitters are hitting balls which would be out of Curt Flood as well.
Regarding the rule that only people who have hit a HR is silly. This would include people like Chris Adams, Scott, and Bonner: people who didn't hit HRs but had a lucky day, or had extra practice, or whatever.
Just wanted to reiterate my previous post... I'm totally AGAINST banning aluminum bats (I wish this thread would dry up and go away). Again--this is a pickup game--NOT a league. Guys should be able to play with what ever bat they're comfortbale with and want to use. In general, Im against any unneccesary rules / regulations / banning (and also don't like be told what to do, or not to do).
Personally, after trying a wooden bat, I didn't like it (in fact my hitting sucked even more than normal). I've found that a light bat works much better for me. Also, I dont want to have to worry about or deal with cracking a bat (whether it be mine or someone else's).
As far as it being a safety issue, the real power hitters (Ken, Paul, Will, Carlos, ----Scott,Anthony and Nick--on a good day, sorry if I forgot anyone) really arent going to be adverseley affected by a wooded bat. Its the distance from the plate thats the real issue in terms of safety...not the bat. That close in, the ball will still be travelling fast and hard regardless of what its hit with. . As long as we're at Defremery that will always be an issue (I'm not suggesting we move from there).
Personally, after trying a wooden bat, I didn't like it (in fact my hitting sucked even more than normal). I've found that a light bat works much better for me. Also, I dont want to have to worry about or deal with cracking a bat (whether it be mine or someone else's).
As far as it being a safety issue, the real power hitters (Ken, Paul, Will, Carlos, ----Scott,Anthony and Nick--on a good day, sorry if I forgot anyone) really arent going to be adverseley affected by a wooded bat. Its the distance from the plate thats the real issue in terms of safety...not the bat. That close in, the ball will still be travelling fast and hard regardless of what its hit with. . As long as we're at Defremery that will always be an issue (I'm not suggesting we move from there).
Yes, using wood bats will adversely effect your hitting performance. That's kinda the point. Personally, I feel that keeping the ball in play and increasing the interaction of the game is far more important and more fun for everyone than someone saying "woohoo! look how far I hit it that time".
About the "no extra rules" part... that's simply rediculous. We have a bunch of non-standard rules, concerning just about every aspect of the game. Using wood bats at defremery is a rule that would improve safety as well as the overall enjoyment of the game. Why use all the other special rules, but not this one?
About the "no extra rules" part... that's simply rediculous. We have a bunch of non-standard rules, concerning just about every aspect of the game. Using wood bats at defremery is a rule that would improve safety as well as the overall enjoyment of the game. Why use all the other special rules, but not this one?
I would like to vote before next weeks game whether or not to implement and inforce this rule.
I think the three options in the vote should be:
a. let players use whatever bats they like
b. implement a rule forcing anyone who has hit a homerun to use a wood bat in games at Defremery
c. implement a rule forcing all batters to use wood bats at defremery.
I think the three options in the vote should be:
a. let players use whatever bats they like
b. implement a rule forcing anyone who has hit a homerun to use a wood bat in games at Defremery
c. implement a rule forcing all batters to use wood bats at defremery.
Somebody needs to point out how a few HRs a game fucks up the group. Yesterday, Paul, Carlos, Will, and myself hit HRs. That was over the course of two games. Five HRs over 2 games? Did that really fuck up the stats that much? Having the MLB average be 2.2 HRs a game (last I checked) that sounds reasonable to me.
The number one reason people score so much at DeFremery is because people--all of us-- struggle with strong fielding. We play as if there are 47 outs in a game.
And I need to point out something: this is all kinda insulting. Not trying to make it personal. But to suggests, as some people do, that metal bats are the difference between hitting HRs and not is just wrong.
To look at the stats, Ken hit 5 HRs while using a metal bat, until the HRs stopped. But there was tons of time between his last HR and when he stopped using metal. Scott's HRs numbers have also fallen dramatically. There was a time when Scott had the single-game record for HRs. On the flip side, I had not hit a HR in over 80 or 90 at-bats... plus all the at-bats we didn't count before then. Why have I hit 7 since then? (not counting the inside-the-park)
Nick made an interesting point yesterday after I hit a ball across the street but foul. He noted that if I had been using a wood bat, it may not have had the distance, but would have been fair. (This is because wood bats tend to be slower than metal bats, allowing the batter to slow down his swing. In my case, I had been too quick and pulled it foul) Too bad there's not a wood bat I like!
Like I've said to people before, I'm not worried about not being able to use metal bats in general: I'm worried about not using my bat. I've had it since I was in high school. I have for several years been getting to know it better, and learning how to use it best. Since I've been playing at DeFremery, I've put more and more effort between games in working at my swing.
I'll put this out there again: I have a wood bat I would love to use, but it is from the 30s and far to old to actually use. But if I had the cash, I would get someone to duplicate it for me in a heartbeat. But seeing as I have rent, food, school, and other expensive items--all of which are being paied for by a temporary part-time job, I don't have the cash.
I'm glad that Ken, and Paul, and Nick, and Pat and others have wood bats they love. I don't! They are all too short. But, if these 2.5 HRs a game are soooooooo, sooooooo fucking traumatic towards your baseball experience, than I will happily begin accepting donations.
Can someone other than Ken argue for using only wood bats? I just want to see what others have to say on this. I will step outta this conversation as well
The number one reason people score so much at DeFremery is because people--all of us-- struggle with strong fielding. We play as if there are 47 outs in a game.
And I need to point out something: this is all kinda insulting. Not trying to make it personal. But to suggests, as some people do, that metal bats are the difference between hitting HRs and not is just wrong.
To look at the stats, Ken hit 5 HRs while using a metal bat, until the HRs stopped. But there was tons of time between his last HR and when he stopped using metal. Scott's HRs numbers have also fallen dramatically. There was a time when Scott had the single-game record for HRs. On the flip side, I had not hit a HR in over 80 or 90 at-bats... plus all the at-bats we didn't count before then. Why have I hit 7 since then? (not counting the inside-the-park)
Nick made an interesting point yesterday after I hit a ball across the street but foul. He noted that if I had been using a wood bat, it may not have had the distance, but would have been fair. (This is because wood bats tend to be slower than metal bats, allowing the batter to slow down his swing. In my case, I had been too quick and pulled it foul) Too bad there's not a wood bat I like!
Like I've said to people before, I'm not worried about not being able to use metal bats in general: I'm worried about not using my bat. I've had it since I was in high school. I have for several years been getting to know it better, and learning how to use it best. Since I've been playing at DeFremery, I've put more and more effort between games in working at my swing.
I'll put this out there again: I have a wood bat I would love to use, but it is from the 30s and far to old to actually use. But if I had the cash, I would get someone to duplicate it for me in a heartbeat. But seeing as I have rent, food, school, and other expensive items--all of which are being paied for by a temporary part-time job, I don't have the cash.
I'm glad that Ken, and Paul, and Nick, and Pat and others have wood bats they love. I don't! They are all too short. But, if these 2.5 HRs a game are soooooooo, sooooooo fucking traumatic towards your baseball experience, than I will happily begin accepting donations.
Can someone other than Ken argue for using only wood bats? I just want to see what others have to say on this. I will step outta this conversation as well
Just want to point out that it's not just the number of homeruns that bothers me, it's the fact that it doesn't include the fielding team at all. 1 play a game where a team gives up a run without anyone on their team touching the ball is too much.
About the $$$... we could easily all pitch in a few bucks to buy community wood bats of different sizes and weights so everyone has a bat that they are comfortable using.
About the $$$... we could easily all pitch in a few bucks to buy community wood bats of different sizes and weights so everyone has a bat that they are comfortable using.