Semi-Permanent Teams

AntMoOAK · Post by **AntMoOAK** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:36 pm

Have you (as a group) considered "permanent" teams where those who show up regularly (Scott, Ken, Nick W., Paul, Chris,Rob, Peter, Rich, Daniel, Dorian, Pat and James, et al) are divided into two teams with the rest of us placed as we show up. This would make the next season alot more interesting with something on the line for the end of next season. Just throwing some stuff on the wall to see how it will stick (or splatter).

Pat K · Post by **Pat K** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:02 pm

I have brought it up before, and think it would be a great idea. It would open are league to many intergral parts of baseball we are missing, like; team stratagies, managing (Scott and Ken?), signs, better teamwork, and many other things. It would take some serious thought and descussion to get it right. But if done right I think it would bring better play and motivation, plus make things alot more interesting. Plus then the managers would have full control with keeping there players in check and such. We just have to make sure to keep Ken and Dorian are on different teams so they do not jibb at each other all day.

tallguy · Post by **tallguy** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:37 pm

Yeah, that would work. They never display any rivalry.

The only thing that will keep those two quiet is duct tape. Or maybe if we smoke a bowl before the game.

Tayster · Post by **Tayster** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:07 pm

Paul, don't ever stop writing, you keep on feeding my signature

Post by **Baseball=Life** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:21 pm

My feelings toward "semi-permanent" teams are listed below:

1) It would save us a lot of time, and we could get games started on time more often.

2) It would give us the aspects of the game we don't currently have, like Pat mentioned (signs, etc.)

3) It would create more rivalries, in a good way, which would lead to more people posting and participating on this forum.

now for the concerns:

4) We need our games to be close--we need to avoid blowouts. I'm not sure we could establish even semi-permanent teams that would have adequate balance, offensively, defensively, and in terms of speed.

5) Individual stats would be effected, as Pat would always get to bat with me in scoring position, for example. Thus the teams would have to be temporary, like for a month (6-8 games).

So, I encourage anyone who feels they can take that balance issue into account and come up with 2 proposed teams to do so.

Again, it would save me a lot of time if we could come up with something... .

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:28 pm

I will work on it tonight.
Pat

Pat K · Post by **Pat K** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:37 pm

Just a thought,
Say we have 2 teams of 7 (we could change # of people) The Managers could rank there players as they choose. Then when Team A is missing their #2 player and Team B is missing #4 & #5 then Team A would have 1st pick and Team B would have 2nd & 3rd picks..... Or something where we augment the teams accordingly at game time with remaining players. Or we could combine the Two somehow. There is no reason that I can think of as to why this would not work. Say Team A proves Superior threw say 4 or 5 games, then we could start giving them the best players at game time. There is still a good amount of flexability with the teams here, we should be able to make it work. If everybody thinks its a good idea.

I am just throwing these out there as an example,

Team 1
Scott
Dorian
Nick
Will
Anthony
Chris
Daniel

Team 2
Ken
Peter
Pat
Paul
Jason
Rich
David

P.S. Scott the only real stats that would be affected would be RBI and to a lesser degree Runs, but those stats are almost superficial anyway.

Southpaw Slim · Post by **Southpaw Slim** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:15 pm

I remember when we tried to have "managers" for our teams. I was picked to be manager, then pulled from my team in the middle of the game due to the lopsided first inning. I don't think it will work, especially if power hitters keep showing up late to games. If Anthony, Paul, or Will show up late then the game is going to be unfair. If we have someone like Pip (remember him?) show up it will also throw the balance off. It's difficult as it is to balance teams when we have such an unstable turnout. But if you can somehow find a way to make it work, then go for it.

Post by **retep** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:50 pm

Let's try pre-game drafts again.

I'm tired. That's all I will say.

Southpaw Slim · Post by **Southpaw Slim** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:10 pm

Hey, this has given me a great idea. With the advent of cell phone-enabled internet browsers, why not try this out? When I get DeFStAr up and running (the release date of which has been pushed back, btw) I'll start plans toward a "team balancing function" where someone can choose who shows up to the game and have the function spit back suggested teams, potentially including line-ups and positions. Just brainstorming here, but unknown players could also be entered based on 4 categories on an assumed level of 1 to 5: speed, power, contact, and fielding. This would prevent a "Pip" from throwing the teams way off balance. Wow, my mind is really starting to fly with this idea. I'll have to write this all down for later. As for now, I have to get back to coding the stat input page. Don't worry, Scott! I'm working on it!

Post by **Baseball=Life** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:50 pm

Not included in Pat's proposed semi-permanent teams are frequent players James, Ahmer, Rob, Carlos, & Michael P. Ok, Carlos can't really be called "frequent" but you see what I mean, eh?

PS: I love how you've taken the Baseball Stars catagories and applied them to our games, Nick.

AntMoOAK · Post by **AntMoOAK** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:54 pm

Hmm Pat's hypothetical team 1 would kill his team 2 as it is tilted better both offensively and defensilty to team 1...

Team 1 Team 2

Ken C Nick-- C
Rich 3B Dorian 3B
James SS Scott SS
David 2B Pat 2B
Anthony 1B Paul 1B
Peter OF Will OF
Rob OF Daniel OF
Jason OF Chris OF

Invariably... someone may be absent a game or two you could go with a "Core" team like those above and draft others... the Carlos's, Ahmers, Mike C's etc... and have them assigned them to teams so when they play they have a team they are familiar with. Is it perfect ? heck no !! worth a try ? why not... if it's disasterous... then nothing will be harmed by going back to the regular way...

Pat K · Post by **Pat K** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:03 am

I was just throwing those teams out there as an example. Of course we would have to find out who plans on being at 60%+ of the games. But Anthony I take offense to your statment that my hypothetical Team 1 would Kill Team 2.

Offense, APS does not lie. Speed, I think they are pretty well balanced. Defense, if anything I say Team 2 is stronger than Team 1.

Team 1 Posible Positions/APS
Will-OF/1.458
Anthony-1B/1.414
Scott-3B/1.178
Nick-Of/1.133
Dorian-SS/1.009
Chris-OF/.809
Daniel-2B/.789

Team 2
Pat-SS/1.505
Peter-OF/1.433
Paul-1B/1.261
Ken-OF/1.207
Rich-3B/1.126
Jason-2B/.942
David-OF/.905

As you can see the stats tell a different story
Team 1 Average APS=1.113
Team 2 Average APS=1.197

tallguy · Post by **tallguy** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:50 am

Yeah, I'm sorry about coming late to the last game, but I was fully prepared to pitch all through that game if no-one had left. That seemed like a good solution. Probably no-one really gives a crap, but I usually take pride in my punctuality.

I like the sound of both suggested teams. We should give them a shot. I'll miss next Sunday, but Ahmer or Carlos would both more than fill my shoes if one of them shows.

Post by **Baseball=Life** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:01 am

Hey I should have emphasized that I think this is an idea worth trying out. I notice you haven't included the Catcher (or Pitcher) positions, however, and James, Rob & Ahmer (frequent players) are ommitted.

I agree the offense & defense is pretty balanced, although Team 1 seems to have an edge on speed.

I wonder if you can keep them balanced after plugging in these other guys?

I'm glad we tracked you down, Pat, you're a total baseball nerd, and that's awesome.

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