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And props to you Peter for staying with it and giving it a chance. Your participation is appreciated, he with the most webgems. Just give me some more time in the OF, however, and I'll catch up and surpass you Peter!
Yeah, it's off topic, but my diving plays at 3b hardly ever get nominated for web gems (and by hardly ever, I mean never), show me some love!!!
Hey, there was one issue that came up repeatedly. Almost all the pitchers balked. Actually, I couldn't see Pat, Dan, or Nick since I was in CF. I've taught 4th graders how to avoid balking, so I'm confident I can give a brief chat to all the pitchers so we can reduce the balks. Doing so goes hand-in-hand with holding the runners closer to the bags.
I noticed a few of our guys balking, but my feeling was that they weren't doing it intentionally/maliciously and I figured many of them didn't even know the rules, so I let it go. With all the people on base via walks it seemed silly to advance them do to balks of no consequence. The only reason I even charged Rich with those two were because he obviously knew the rule regarding feigning throws to first base...

and now the balk courtesy of Major League Baseball official rules.
8.01
Legal pitching delivery. There are two legal pitching positions, the Windup Position and the Set Position, and either position may be used at any time. Pitchers shall take signs from the catcher while standing on the rubber. Pitchers may disengage the rubber after taking their signs but may not step quickly onto the rubber and pitch. This may be judged a quick pitch by the umpire. When the pitcher disengages the rubber, he must drop his hands to his sides. Pitchers will not be allowed to disengage the rubber after taking each sign. (a) The Windup Position. The pitcher shall stand facing the batter, his entire pivot foot on, or in front of and touching and not off the end of the pitcher's plate, and the other foot free. From this position any natural movement associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without interruption or alteration. He shall not raise either foot from the ground, except that in his actual delivery of the ball to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step forward with his free foot. When a pitcher holds the ball with both hands in front of his body, with his entire pivot foot on, or in front of and touching but not off the end of the pitcher's plate, and his other foot free, he will be considered in the Windup Position. The pitcher may have one foot, not the pivot foot, off the rubber and any distance he may desire back of a line which is an extension to the back edge of the pitcher's plate, but not at either side of the pitcher's plate. With his "free" foot the pitcher may take one step backward and one step forward, but under no circumstances, to either side, that is to either the first base or third base side of the pitcher's rubber. If a pitcher holds the ball with both hands in front of his body, with his entire pivot foot on or in front of and touching but not off the end of the pitcher's plate, and his other foot free, he will be considered in a windup position. From this position he may: (1) deliver the ball to the batter, or (2) step and throw to a base in an attempt to pick off a runner, or (3) disengage the rubber (if he does he must drop his hand to his sides). In disengaging the rubber the pitcher must step off with his pivot foot and not his free foot first. He may not go into a set or stretch position if he does it is a balk. (b) The Set Position. Set Position shall be indicated by the pitcher when he stands facing the batter with his entire pivot foot on, or in front of, and in contact with, and not off the end of the pitcher's plate, and his other foot in front of the pitcher's plate, holding the ball in both hands in front of his body and coming to a complete stop. From such Set Position he may deliver the ball to the batter, throw to a base or step backward off the pitcher's plate with his pivot foot. Before assuming Set Position, the pitcher may elect to make any natural preliminary motion such as that known as "the stretch." But if he so elects, he shall come to Set Position before delivering the ball to the batter. After assuming Set Position, any natural motion associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without alteration or interruption. Preparatory to coming to a set position, the pitcher shall have one hand on his side; from this position he shall go to his set position as defined in Rule 8.01 (b) without interruption and in one continuous motion. The whole width of the foot in contact with the rubber must be on the rubber. A pitcher cannot pitch from off the end of the rubber with just the side of his foot touching the rubber. The pitcher, following his stretch, must (a) hold the ball in both hands in front of his body and (b) come to a complete stop. This must be enforced. Umpires should watch this closely. Pitchers are constantly attempting to "beat the rule" in their efforts to hold runners on bases and in cases where the pitcher fails to make a complete "stop" called for in the rules, the umpire should immediately call a "Balk." (c) At any time during the pitcher's preliminary movements and until his natural pitching motion commits him to the pitch, he may throw to any base provided he steps directly toward such base before making the throw. The pitcher shall step "ahead of the throw." A snap throw followed by the step directly toward the base is a balk. (d) If the pitcher makes an illegal pitch with the bases unoccupied, it shall be called a ball unless the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise. A ball which slips out of a pitcher's hand and crosses the foul line shall be called a ball; otherwise it will be called no pitch. This would be a balk with men on base. (e) If the pitcher removes his pivot foot from contact with the pitcher's plate by stepping backward with that foot, he thereby becomes an infielder and if he makes a wild throw from that position, it shall be considered the same as a wild throw by any other infielder. The pitcher, while off the rubber, may throw to any base. If he makes a wild throw, such throw is the throw of an infielder and what follows is governed by the rules covering a ball thrown by a fielder.

8.05
If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when_ (a) The pitcher, while touching his plate, makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch and fails to make such delivery; If a left-handed or right-handed pitcher swings his free foot past the back edge of the pitcher's rubber, he is required to pitch to the batter except to throw to second base on a pick off play. (b) The pitcher, while touching his plate, feints a throw to first base and fails to complete the throw; (c) The pitcher, while touching his plate, fails to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base; Requires the pitcher, while touching his plate, to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base. If a pitcher turns or spins off of his free foot without actually stepping or if he turns his body and throws before stepping, it is a balk. A pitcher is to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base but does not require him to throw (except to first base only) because he steps. It is possible, with runners on first and third, for the pitcher to step toward third and not throw, merely to bluff the runner back to third; then seeing the runner on first start for second, turn and step toward and throw to first base. This is legal. However, if, with runners on first and third, the pitcher, while in contact with the rubber, steps toward third and then immediately and in practically the same motion "wheels" and throws to first base, it is obviously an attempt to deceive the runner at first base, and in such a move it is practically impossible to step directly toward first base before the throw to first base, and such a move shall be called a balk. Of course, if the pitcher steps off the rubber and then makes such a move, it is not a balk. (d) The pitcher, while touching his plate, throws, or feints a throw to an unoccupied base, except for the purpose of making a play; (e) The pitcher makes an illegal pitch; A quick pitch is an illegal pitch. Umpires will judge a quick pitch as one delivered before the batter is reasonably set in the batter's box. With runners on base the penalty is a balk; with no runners on base, it is a ball. The quick pitch is dangerous and should not be permitted. (f) The pitcher delivers the ball to the batter while he is not facing the batter; (g) The pitcher makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch while he is not touching the pitcher's plate; (h) The pitcher unnecessarily delays the game; (i) The pitcher, without having the ball, stands on or astride the pitcher's plate or while off the plate, he feints a pitch; (j) The pitcher, after coming to a legal pitching position, removes one hand from the ball other than in an actual pitch, or in throwing to a base; (k) The pitcher, while touching his plate, accidentally or intentionally drops the ball; (l) The pitcher, while giving an intentional base on balls, pitches when the catcher is not in the catcher's box; (m)The pitcher delivers the pitch from Set Position without coming to a stop. PENALTY: The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which case the play proceeds without reference to the balk. APPROVED RULING: In cases where a pitcher balks and throws wild, either to a base or to home plate, a runner or runners may advance beyond the base to which he is entitled at his own risk. APPROVED RULING: A runner who misses the first base to which he is advancing and who is called out on appeal shall be considered as having advanced one base for the purpose of this rule. Umpires should bear in mind that the purpose of the balk rule is to prevent the pitcher from deliberately deceiving the base runner. If there is doubt in the umpire's mind, the "intent" of the pitcher should govern. However, certain specifics should be borne in mind: (a) Straddling the pitcher's rubber without the ball is to be interpreted as intent to deceive and ruled a balk. (b) With a runner on first base the pitcher may make a complete turn, without hesitating toward first, and throw to second. This is not to be interpreted as throwing to an unoccupied base.


Much of this same information can be found in English at wikipedia.org :wink:
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TheLegend wrote: Yeah, it's off topic, but my diving plays at 3b hardly ever get nominated for web gems (and by hardly ever, I mean never), show me some love!!!
Well, you haven't made many since we've been keeping score. Maybe at Defemery you can make some more :wink:
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TheLegend wrote: Yeah, it's off topic, but my diving plays at 3b hardly ever get nominated for web gems (and by hardly ever, I mean never), show me some love!!!
Well, you haven't made many since we've been keeping score. Maybe at Defemery you can make some more :wink:

I made one yesterday you ninnyhead!
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Yeah, Ken

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Yeah, Ken, you haven't hit the dirt at 3B in a long time. I think back to the game where you ripped off Josh repeatedly.

ANY TIME an infielder goes down to their knees or dives, yet still comes up with a good enough throw to get the runner (any runner) at first base, that's a webgem.

Recall when I was playing SS in game 2 of the doubleheader on 4/10. In the 8th or 9th inning, Nick hit a liner toward my right (3B side). I backhanded it on one hop, at the edge of the grass. So I was in the hole at SS (3B side). I reared back and made a big throw over, and Paul made a nice scoop at 1B so we got Nick by a half-step.

By all accounts it was a huge play. But since I didn't hit the dirt, and wasn't fully in the hole (ie I was at edge of grass, instead of fully in short LF), it wasn't gemworthy.

If the SS is ranging to the 2B side and manages to reach down and snag a groundball behind 2B that's heading into CF, he can earn a gem without hitting the dirt too. Picture Bobby Crosby or Alex Rodriguez leaning over, scooping it, spinning and making the laser throw to 1B, all while sprinting from SS toward RF. Note: Pat almost made that play and earned that gem yesterday when I was the batter, but Nick just barely pulled his foot off the bag to reach for the throw. Had they pulled that play off, it would've been one of these rare scenarios where the infielder earns a webgem without making a dive or going to his knees. Pat had literally shown that much range to his left to earn it, had the outcome at first with me & Nick been different.

One final way to earn a gem in the infield without diving or going to your knees is to charge a ball that's going slowly in the grass (ie you have to go a long way from where you started initially, not a normal charge) and make the off balance throw to get the runner at 1st (picture a 3rd basemen charging the bunt and getting the runner at 1st).
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We could retroactively nominate him, but I don't remember the play.

I feel I had a gem 2 weeks ago at 1B tagging out Anthony while lying on the ground after diving to catch James throw. But, that’s how it goes!
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It was in the second game, must've been second or third inning... there was a runner at first and (I think) Leo hit a hard one hopper about 3 yards to my right. I got down, snagged it, got up and threw the runner out at second. Was it in the ranks of the most amazing plays ever? no... but I did dive and get it...

I'm not too worried about it actually (and am not interested in a retroactive nomination), but i just think that a diving play that results in an out should be pretty much an auto-gem. I also think I may get short changed a bit because, unlike the middle infield positions, the 3b rarely has chance to make a long run and then dive for the ball... A lot of times when I dive for a ball it's not actually hit really far from me (as anything hit really far from me is either the SSs ball or a foul) but it's hit hard and low and I don't have the time to get my body in front of it.

So in closing MORE WEBGEMS for Kenyatte! :wink:
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When I play 1B, I feel that I get very very few chances. Same for those who play C. But, ken, it comes with the territory.
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Well, Ken... if you decide to play at DeFremery (which it sounds like you will since pulling the bases back makes it more challenging) you'll have plenty of opportunities to make that diving play at 3B.

And I don't think you have anything to complain about. At least you have a gem.
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Hey Peter... a nice stretch and scoop always makes Basball Tonight gems... and can be achieved here especially with all the offline throws to first (sorry infielders :( ). WE ( 1st basemen just have to actually make the play and make it look good.
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I know I had a couple in the second game last week where people even commented on the quality plays. But do I ever get web gems? Nooooooo!
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I had forgotten about the "well that sucked" thread........ hilarious shit. We've come a long way....... or have we? I'm glad turnout is stabilized so we can play more often, have at least 1 live game a month, etc.
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Baseball=Life wrote:I had forgotten about the "well that sucked" thread........ hilarious shit. We've come a long way....... or have we? I'm glad turnout is stabilized so we can play more often, have at least 1 live game a month, etc.
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You can count on me for a classic thread! :wink:

kidding...

Anyway, we have come a long way, and that's in both our play and our discourse--though I still need to calm the fuck down when i have a bad game or AB or error.
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Apparently, this article was recommended by Wikipedia. I find it humorous, although the author committed a balk while writing it.
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