Why figure skating is not a sport

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Why figure skating is not a sport

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I like the following article:

Why figure skating is not a sport

Figure skating is not a sport.

Now, before you whip off your Risport and spike the blade through my aorta, please note that I think figure skaters are not just athletes, but remarkable athletes.

Figure skating requires strength, speed, stamina, dexterity, balance, timing, guts and just about everything other imaginable athletic skill. Certainly, more athletic skill than I could muster.

But figure skating is a competition, not a sport, and it has nothing to do with how difficult or entertaining it is. It is simply a matter of how the winner is determined. It is the same for gymnastics, diving, beauty pageants or anything that chooses a champion solely by human judging.

A sport needs to have a quantifiable way to determine a winner and a loser. There can be no debate about the scoring system. A ball must go into a goal or through a hoop; a runner must reach home or finish before the others. The winners run faster, jump higher, score more.

In some sports a clock is used to determine a winner, but the clock is not subjective. Besides, you can't have 53 guys racing down a ski hill at the same time. The clock is a judge, but it is an objective one.

Figure skating has none of this. Everything is about interpretation of success. It is about what the judge thinks, believes, feels. There is nothing absolutely quantifiable. Yes, the number of revolutions in a jump counts, but in the end if two people do the same jump, a human has to decide which one he or she likes better.

That is not a sport.

Figure skaters wear elaborate costumes in an attempt to appear more appealing, more flowing, more beautiful. The women (and even some men) wear makeup, they get their hair done, they wear jewelry, they play stirring music.

An ugly person would stand at a considerable, if not insurmountable, disadvantage in skating. Sasha Cohen would whip them every time.

As absurd as the Tonya Harding-Nancy Kerrigan drama that propelled skating into stratosphere was, it was based partially on the fact that it is a competition, not a sport. Harding was a powerful skater, possibly better at all aspects of skating than Kerrigan. But she was shorter, stockier and less feminine. Although Harding had defeated Kerrigan on occasion, she knew she was at a disadvantage against the taller, prettier, more graceful Kerrigan.

So she conspired with her boyfriend to have Kerrigan whacked in one of her skinny little knees.

In a real sport, this wouldn't have been necessary. Ugly people can win in track, in skiing, in the NFL, in soccer.

Beauty doesn't matter. Style doesn't count. There are no judges.

Some will argue that referees are essentially judges, determining who scores and who doesn't. But a referee is merely there to assure order and make the competitors follow the rules.

Yes, in most sports, the referee has the freedom to determine right and wrong by what he sees – a false start, an illegal advantage – but he is not determining the final victor. His assignment is to simply ensure fair play. The refs can't just say that while one team scored more points, they thought the other one was better anyway.

This creates a bizarre paradox where something like curling is a sport and figure skating isn't, even though to compare the level of necessary athletic ability is comical. But it is what it is. You have to be a stunning athlete to compete in the NBA Slam Dunk Contest but that doesn't make it a sport.

There is one exception to this no-judges rule: boxing (or kickboxing, or other fighting sports). This is fine because a clear victor can be achieved with a knockout (no judge needed). The judges are only used when the fight has gone on so long that it has to be stopped for the safety of the competitors. If they keep beating on each other, someone could die.

Of course, the presence of judges is why boxing is considered the most corrupt sport.

Other than that, no judge should ever determine a winner in a true sport. When you have that, whether it is ice skating, gymnastics or diving, you have a competition.

It isn't any different than American Idol. It can be fun to watch, the athletes can be talented and tenacious, it can be a great competition, but it isn't a sport.

It just isn't.
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Uhh who gives a flying flim flarm flam :D
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Because I am pissed that figure skating is an olympic "sport" and baseball will not be.
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that is some bullshit, although i guess most of the rest of the world isn't as interested in BB as we are. still, there are some really retarded olympic "sports" gettin' played. if they're gonna do team sports at all, they really oughta play ball.
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WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH MLB?

Seriously, Peter. This is as Off-Topic as you can get.
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Not quite. It's pro sports, and invloed high-level baseball, because of the case for baseball to be in the olympics. Besides, who cares? look at all the shit in general discussion that should be in anoter section.

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it a good thing this isnt a term paper otherwise we would all fail for destroying the english language. with the expection of seth (onion) or scot.
as seth was an english major that damn college boy and i dunno scots smart or something
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High praise indeed.
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I hate figure skating.
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Peter, the point I'm trying to make is that this is a specific section of the forum to discuss MLB. As you stated, there's a bunch of stuff in the General Discussion section, and that would be a better place for this topic than here.

I just despise being tricked into thinking there might actually be a discussion about Real Baseball in this forum when I see there are new posts. I usually don't care if it's in the context of a discussion about baseball, but I seriously see no way that figure skating is connected to the organization known as Major League Baseball. In fact, the word "baseball" does not even appear in any part of the article. Nor is it referenced.

I like the idea the author is presenting, although I disagree about boxing. It is a competition, and hence the term "decision" to announce the winner.
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Post by Joe shmoe »

hey peter i didnt read all of your post the first time, so i just finished and did you just say you like american idol? i just dont know how comfortable i am with that. i mean im not a homo-phob but watching american idol is just gay
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Post by onion »

richard, he didn't say that 'bout 'idol. he didn't write it all. remember the post began "here's an article i like..." but, good lesson in quoting your sources. peter, maybe if you had made it super clear where it came from richard wouldn't have accused you of watching, and liking, american idol, something we'd all like to avoid. then again, maybe he would have anyway. and, richard, homophobe is one word.
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Ooops. When I copy adn pasted, it was suppost to have the author listed, and that would have made it all very clear. Sorry about the confusion.

And, no, I have never seen American Idol, excpet for about a minute that time i left the TV on and it came on after a Giants game.
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retep wrote: And, no, I have never seen American Idol, excpet for about a minute that time i left the TV on and it came on after a Giants game.
So that's never as in always, never-miss-an-episode?
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Baseball=Life wrote:
retep wrote: And, no, I have never seen American Idol, excpet for about a minute that time i left the TV on and it came on after a Giants game.
So that's never as in always, never-miss-an-episode?
An episode of Giants baseball? Correct!
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