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since we have considerably more errrors than MLB i dont think we should follow there rules considering roe's. ROE's have always pissed me off. cause i think im faster than most in our league and if i smoke a one chopper down the 3rd base line where there is a slight delay i will be safe and i dont think im the only one this applies to. does this mean that i should get a no but i dont think i should be punished either. look at it like this pat is by far the best 3B/SS we have but even his fielding % is poor on balls that are CRUSHED to him. and he doesnt show up every week cause he is whipped. any ways all im saying is if the best of us can only make the play 50% of time then why is that a ROE. isnt our rule now its either a web gem or a ROE. i recalled once or twice where daniel was playing SS and if he would have dived he could have made the catch but the batter got a hit not a ROE.
alll im saying is we have way more ROE thaan webgems so the rule seems not to work

I've read your post several times and I don't understand what you're saying. What's the specific problem?

Baseball=Life wrote:I've read your post several times and I don't understand what you're saying. What's the specific problem?

my money's on: he's drunk.

that would be my fault. he handed me a pitcher, said "give me some beer", and i did. he does have an argument though. i just don't care to elaborate right now.

Joe shmoe wrote:cause i think im faster than most in our league

Um.......


Anyway, I think the rules are fine regarding ROEs in most cases. Batters should not get rewarded for the defense not being very good. My team last week had a solid defense, and when an error was made, it was earned.

One thing that could be improved is how we treat extra base hits. Anyone who watches the MLB would see that they are far more genouse there than we are. Why? They honor when a player forces the throw.

For example, if you are trying the sretch a single into a double, and the RF needs to make a hard throw, you have earned that. If the throw is offline, that is because the runner made them make the throw in the first place.

This also goes for balls that are dropped durring a tag. Usualy, the MLB gives the baserunner credit for a ball that is dropped or skipps away trying to keep someone from getting an extra base or from scoring.

Lets all keep this in mind!

Joe shmoe wrote: i recalled once or twice where daniel was playing SS and if he would have dived he could have made the catch but the batter got a hit not a ROE.

A dive is a judgement call...you don't get an error for choosing not to dive. Also, I'm not sure how your view from right filed allowed you the perspective to see when I should have dove...just a thought.


The best of us can only make the play 50% of the time??? I don't know dude Scott, Pat, Ollie, Matt and some others seem to make the play more often than not.

I personally feel like we judge ROE's pretty well. It's the scorer's discretion and we all seem to try and get the opinion of those around us. More often than not we give the guy a hit unless it's a blatantly botched play.

Just my thoughts...

an error aught to be called when the average fielder should have made the play. that would be our average fielder, not some imaginary fielder. would our average shortstop have made the play? i just feel like there are some well hit balls that are not getting fielded, but because someone had a shot at fielding it, i.e. touched the ball, it's getting called an error. i think people could be a bit more generous in their calls. i've seen hard hit balls one hop the third baseman who can't come up with the ball. i feel like that's a hit, not an error. this is really just a judgement issue, and i understand that it is left up to the scorer, i just feel like as a whole we're too tough on the defense. the fact that there are so many ROEs (which can be expected) changes what an E is. Instead of being convinced that the ball was well hit and deserves a base bit, be absolutely convinced that the play should have been made by our average fielder at that position in order to score it an ROE. just a little difference.

daniel i was quoting you saying if i would have dove i could have got it. and the 50% was refering to hard plays were the ball takes one hard hop. like pats web gem in the 9th i would say the best of us have a 50% chance.


also i apoligize for a post that is so poorly written and in even worsely thought out. the fact of the matter is that i had a few too many before i posted. i thought i was still coherient.... oops

i thought the rule on hard plays was its either a web gem (play made)
or it was an roe (play not made). if thats the cause then i dont think its fair

Joe shmoe wrote:daniel i was quoting you saying if i would have dove i could have got it. and the 50% was refering to hard plays were the ball takes one hard hop. like pats web gem in the 9th i would say the best of us have a 50% chance.

My bad. You're right, I did say that and there were some in there that I could have, no should have at least attempted to lay out. I really want to work on that part of my game.

I'll you this, when I was scoring on Sunday there were plays where I instantly knew my call. Others I had to think about. In my humble opinion, if you're still thinking about it 3 pitches into the next batter, give the guy a hit. Web gems, that's more of a universal at the moment sort of thing.

We actually discussed this topic not too long ago.

I disagree wholeheartedly with the sentiment that since we're bad fielders, an error should have to be more egregious to be considered an error.

I don't know where this idea came from that a play is either an e or a web gem... If it would've been a web-gem worthy play, then no error will be charged. Generally speaking, a web-gem worthy play is only one that takes what looked like a hit and turns it into an out.

An error is the exact opposite: An error is any play that should be an out, but allows the runner to get on base.

There's a lot of space between those two ends of the spectrum.

These plays are definately judgement calls... but you usually know. Most of the time I can tell as soon as the ball comes off the bat whether it's going to be a hit or an out. If the result surprises me, then i'm pretty confident it's a WG or an ROE.

I think one of the biggest mistakes people make is thinking that if they hit a ball hard and get on base then it's a hit. This is not the case. If you hit the ball hard and it's right at someone, it should be an out (or an ROE). This was the case on sunday when someone hit a line drive down to thirdbase that landed in Pat's glove and popped out: clearly an error. It was a play that definately should've been made.

I feel the same way about the controvercial play w/ Dorian at GG months ago. Yes, the ball was hit hard, but it was right at Dorian and he sould've made the play... error.

If anything, I think we give our fielders too much credit as it is, it seems like every week a marginally difficult play is nominated for a WG...

oh, and richard: don't be silly... you're not that fast.

TheLegend wrote:
If anything, I think we give our fielders too much credit as it is, it seems like every week a marginally difficult play is nominated for a WG...

oh, and richard: don't be silly... you're not that fast.

A agree with both comments!

im the fastest smoker we have =P

Joe shmoe wrote:im the fastest smoker we have =P

sadly enough, that's not even true. (will)

Ken I agree about that play last week. The one that went in and out of my glove. I believe I was asked if I thought it was a hit, I said no it was an error. Im not sure how it turned out though.

I agree with the points Peter and Ken made, but Richard, I think the way we score errors is pretty well adjusted for our skill level.